--- Today the highest court in the land ruled that the 10 Commandments have no place in our courtrooms and I of course agree, although a recent AP poll suggests that only 1 in 4 feel the same way I do. This isn't totally surprising although it is certainly saddening. Once again, more then 70 percent of Americans are willing to overlook one of the most basic tenets of our system of government - the separation of church and state - in order to satisfy their own desire to push their religion on others.
This portrayal isnt a commingling of church and state. Those being said, see Ignerettes statement on this for further info.
--- These are the same people who would put every religious moniker they could in our schools, halls of government, public libraries and elsewhere without regard to those who's beliefs varied from their own.
Yes, I agree the zealots would if they could. But again, you lump all people of faith on the zealot bandwagon. You fail to realize, even accept that you are talking about the small percentage. In your eyes, it all or nothing. That is extremist in its own right, and no better then the zealots.
--- 70% of Americans dont give a rats ass about the issue. Dont take that as acceptance. We just feel there are greater issues to tackle. I have seen apathy in many areas of our society, this is no different.
--- Lets discuss the Pledge of Allegiance. The 'under God' controversy is all about the exact same issue. Should children in a public school raised by Atheists be compelled to say 'under God'?
Absolutely not!
--- This clearly teaches religion in a place where religion should not be allowed.
No, this allows those of faith to acknowledge their deity.
--- The hypocrites say yes. How can we call them anything but hypocrites? Clearly 'under God' refers to the Christian god, right?
When a Christian says it yes. What stops a Muslim from saying, One nation under Allah ? Nothing. Unfortunately you wont acknowledge this and thus, your rebuttals are pomp and circumstance wrapped in the flag.
--- Would these same patriots agree to changing the 'under god' phrase to 'under the gods' to satisfy the polytheists? Of course not. That would be absurd when everyone knows that Jesus is true lord and savior, right?
For those that believe yes, but to pluralize it, forces them to go against their God. I know that would make you happy, but that is a violation of their religious freedom. There is absolutely nothing wrong for someone else to mean his or her God. You are twisting the topic to drive your point home about Christianity. You are horribly wrong&.again. NOTHING! Says you have to pledge to the God of Abraham. While the intent at first writing was to acknowledge Him, its not a requirement to speak the Pledge.
--- But remember that polytheists were around 3000 or more years before anyone ever heard of Jesus. They ruled places like ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, etc. They live among us today, but are not represented in our representative system of government. Frankly and truthfully, 'Under God' is an undisguised attempt to teach children about Jesus
While the original intent is there, that doesnt stop from someone else referring to his or her God when saying it. Tunnel vision only diminishes your ability to rebuke the topic effectively. In addition, the I was here first rebuttal isnt very effective.
--- How can you accept the separation of church and state and at the same time support the words 'under God' in a publicly funded school?
Its quite easy. Its voluntary.
--- Either you should come clean on NOT supporting the separation of church and state or, in principle, support the doctrine and get rid of the 'under God' phrase.
So religious persecution is your answer. I see, throw away the whole reason this country was established for your atrocious understanding of faith! You sound like an Atheistic Zealot now. I have an idea, lets amend the Pledge to allow both! Lets let those recognize their faith with a pause, i.e.
1 nation under God, 1 nation under Allah, 1 nation under the Great Oak, or just skip the phrase for those of you who dont wish to mention faith. This supports all the freedoms of each citizen. But that isnt what you want. You want Christianity gone. You dont want freedom. You want your way, and Freedom isnt the issue.
--- There's no middle ground here. The separation of church and state was created to protect the minorities from the majority. You're not doing this by supporting these repeated attempts to hijack our system of government and turn it over to religious conservatives.
Wrong again. I mentioned a middle ground. One that supports your right and mine. But that isnt your interest.
--- So why are these people who claim to uphold the freedoms and principles of the United States so eager to trample the rights of others at every opportunity?
I dont know, why do you want to trample my religious freedom? Only you can answer this.
--- Why does their unashamed hypocrisy not get called on the carpet the same way a misbehaving teenager is guided by superiors when making poor decisions?
As I have just called yours on the carpet?
-- Why do our leaders turn a blind eye to this continual bombardment of religion on the un-religious or other-religious?
Or why do the unreligious continually bombard the leaders to restrict my religious freedom?
--- The answer is simple. They have more supporters, and history is written by the victors.
This has always been true. Lets face it; your positions on religion are well documented. However, let me add this: Your position on religion is so negative, that you cannot see any middle road. Your solutions are religious extermination, not equal rights. Take off the hate and look at the subject matter on its own merit.
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